How To Connect Sena To Cardo Written By James Stlemed Wednesday, December 28, 2022 Add Comment Edit ajrider Adventurer Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 Hi, I'm toying with the idea of creating a Sena to Cardo span. Virtually of our riders are using SENA intercoms, merely fed up with the problems SENA aren't addressing - we are considering switching to Cardo. Not anybody is in a position where they are able to afford a switch at this stage and would like to switch over when possible which could be a few years for some. This leaves u.s.a. with the dilemma of having half the group on SENA and the other on Cardo for some of our larger grouping rides. I idea I've been playing with is to accept a dedicated Sena-Cardo bridge setup. The concept would exist to use one of the discarded SENA intercoms to link into the SENA network, so have it hard wired to a new CARDO unit of measurement that is linked into the Cardo network. I'm familiar with the sena mounts and know that the SENA mount has a 2mm 4 pole jack which tin can be used for audio transmit and receive. I'm completely unfamiliar with the CARDO mounts at this phase and was wondering if they besides have an auxiliary Jack that I can utilise. If and so - I figure I could create a bridge between the 2 networks and use this until we migrate SENA from our group. Is anyone able to suggest me on the CARDO side - if there is an auxiliary jack that can be used for both mic and headphones? (Or better notwithstanding, if anyone else has already attempted this and what the result was)? The Cardo Bold and Slim exercise non have an auxiliary audio jack. The cord for the headphones has a regular 3.5 speaker plug and so you could easily substitute your own speakers or earbuds. I have the exact same feelings and in the same position with my riding group. Only Cardo user right now and want to convert most if non all to Cardo. Expense for others and familiarity with Sena is a roadblock for some. It seems as if y'all can get one/2 group to switch you might exist able to span in one Sena user for every Cardo user as I sympathize it but I take not tested this in real world. I've washed my Vardo to a Sena user on a long trip and it worked simply fine via Bluetooth, but then the Bluetooth to Bluetooth of just 2 Senas was never an issue, it was when over 3 or 4 users. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk PTJCAL Adventurer Joined: Oct 26, 2016 Oddometer: 83 Hello. Equally far equally I know, maybe you could try from the sena side considering the packtalk has 1 characteristic that the sena doesn't (the Cardo bridge). The thought is to make think the sena devices that the Cardo is included in their bt network by using the universal intercom. And so Cardo will be listening as a phone to that connection, but Cardo packtalk has the bridge functionality that allows ane Cardo to bridge a telephone phone call into its dmc network. This is how I would attempt to practise information technology... With i of your Sena devices (ane that has the universal intercom), pair 1 Cardo packtalk device. The packtalk volition be but some other device within the bt sena network. The packtalk will pair to the sena equally a phone. Once connected, when the sena opens an intercom connection with the packtalk, the Cardo volition receive a phone phone call and once answered, it will be included into the sena network. At that bespeak, using the Cardo bridge, the Cardo can span the call into its dmc network. The sena and packtalk rider should bulldoze close to each other considering these universal pairings are brusk distance ones. It might piece of work although I don't know it for sure. I have never tried it. Possibly you lot could requite it a endeavor. I promise it's useful. But my two cents. Regards. ajrider Adventurer Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 Thanks. I'k trying to avert universal pairing if possible - because one of the intercoms has to connect to the other equally it'southward a telephone - which not only limits functionality - only limits range. Not really practical for what I'grand wanting to reach. By having a bridge - two dedicated units hard wired together - each unit of measurement gets to talk to it's 'brothers and sisters' using it's native language/protocol which gives a much greater range. If the Cardo has a standard 3.5mm speaker connection that would piece of work for Cardo->Sena com's simply leaves united states without a return path. I guess the AUX jack on the SENA unit of measurement is one area where SENA really excelled in themselves! (Offers both speaker and Mic access apparently) The Cardo uses a 2-pivot connector from the base to the mic. That plus the 3.5mm jack should be all you lot need. ajrider Charlatan Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: threescore Thanks draco. Can you lot please clarify what sort of 2 pin connector it uses? I'yard trying to effigy if information technology'southward the same type of connector that the Sena uses for it'southward setup and whether I tin can just use readily available cables to plug between the 2, or whether I have to get someone with electronics experience and a soldering iron to rig upwards a more complex cable. Information technology isn't the same as the Sena. Information technology's a proprietary connector. You would need to splice ends together. I'll get a ameliorate picture when I become habitation, but here is a random picture stolen from the interwebz: Which Cardo are you lot speaking of? Not any of the Packtalks afaik. Sent from my SM-T813 using Tapatalk ajrider Adventurer Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 Thanks guys. Not across the realm of possible then... ajrider Charlatan Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 Update on this... I think @PTJCAL had the correct thought, albeit with i small alteration... The trouble with the above is that universal pairing or bridging equally cardo calls it is only good for passenger to pillion. The range is simply too short to work for anything else practically. However - the Sena SMH units works even when not mounted. (ie, no mic or speaker) - which gave me an idea. Why non just have my one-time Sena unit human action as a radio 'Repeater' on my cycle. And then basically - accept a dedicated Sena unit in my pocket or strapped to my bike, etc - which is bridged to my cardo unit. Then a Sena rider connects to my Sena device on my bicycle. This creates a bridge but also gets past the distance event considering the Sena unit of measurement I'm connecting my cardo to is within a meter or two of each other! The other sena rider is using sena-sena intercom to connect and then distance is no outcome. (Any other sena users can connect to him and expand the network between the 2 devices). It'south the same idea I had with the wires, only effectively without the wires and i less unit of measurement! So I put it to the exam inhouse - and success! It is possible to turn on my Sena unit of measurement, Bridge my cardo to it, and then phone call someone else (or accept someone else call the Sena unit) to initiate the bridge! The downfall is that the Sena unit is finicky. It doesn't always like two bluetooth connections paired. Sometimes it won't pair out and says "intercom failed", or some other user can't dial in, and you have to turn it off and first again. (But this is nothing unlike to me trying to connect to two other riders from time to fourth dimension with Sena anyhow). So we can successfully slowly transition people from Sena to Cardo over time without anybody needing to buy a new unit right now! As mentioned, I've only tested this in business firm so far, merely it seems to be OK once you go that initial connexion going. A basic diagram of the setup #1 Sena -> #2 Sena -> #iii Cardo -> #iv Cardo Mesh Users Where... #1 - is some other Sena user. #ii - is my Sena in my pocket - bridged with my cardo #3 - is My Cardo on my helmet, and #four - Are users on the Cardo Mesh Hope this helps some others! The play a joke on is - use cardo bridge pairing -just simply pair to a unit on your wheel. Let other users connect to that unit. The above would likewise work if you had a pillion with a Sena - they could be the span instead of having it in your pocket. I can't tell from the documentation if this device would help this scenario or not (and realize information technology'south yet another device to purchase) but I had been wondering if this would help with the Sena to Cardo transition: https://www.sena.com/product/plus-mesh ajrider Adventurer Joined: Apr 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 Interesting thought. I've been thinking of this and my guess is that information technology would depend on the situation. If the riders you're riding with are using Sena Bluetooth and then no - it'd exist useless as this is a Sena bluetooth to Sena Mesh (different to Cardo) adapter. Fifty-fifty if some riders are using Sena mesh network it'due south of no advantage - as I believe the bluetooth side is not standard bluetooth, but propriety Sena bluetooth intercom. I believe you would still crave a sena headset to bridge between cardo and the sena bluetooth network. I suppose if yous only had a not-mesh sena, but friends were using mesh sena and others using cardo then you could use this device if you were going to be the bridge - simply I think it would exist cleaner to just apply a 30K as the bridge for #ii above, otherwise you'd have: SENA MESH -> SENA - > SENA MESH ADAPTER -> SENA BLUETOOTH INTERCOM -> CARDO -> CARDO MESH (Where the underlined would all be on your person/bike). My idea is why not cutting out the mesh, and simply apply a 30K in this instance equally the 2d link. SENA MESH -> SENA (30K) -> CARDO -> CARDO MESH In a small number of situations it may exist helpful but if people are already on Sena mesh using 30K's - I'd just use one of these every bit the bridge. What I would run into as being extremely helpful for the conversion is if CARDO created ane of these instead - but created information technology so that it linked as a telephone device instead of a cardo bluetooth. This would allow anyone with any other intercom that supports phone pairing (universal mode) to connect to a Cardo i of these and then exist right in the Cardo network - thus profitable greatly in people who want to migrate across only already have a bluetooth unit that they can't become away from simply notwithstanding. I thought it was a brilliant idea of Sena's in one way - to attempt and stop Sena users buying a new Cardo inerrcom and migrate to Sena's mesh network easier and cheaper. Actually Sena are pretty adept with coming up with innovative ideas IMO - the problem is the implementation of them. The poor quality, no waterproofing and ongoing tech problems allow them (and u.s.) down in a huge way. I similar a lot of what SENA design more CARDO, such as this adapter, aux plug, Open up Mesh, Ambiant Mic, the mounts (vertical and then fifty-fifty if the prune disconnected information technology doesn't autumn off, the helmet integration, the list goes on).... but what use is any of that when all nosotros take is ongoing frustrating tech issues that Sena refuse to admit and correct. That'south the unmarried reason why I'm jumping transport. I'm after a product that works as advertised. Not a product with a whole lot more options but tin can't deliver what they promise. Cardo show they're more honest. ie: Look at how Cardo advertise their range - they give perfect surround range but admit that it'due south unlikely and then give applied real world range - while Sena are happy to advertise a range that no one will always go. Cardo are more honest about what their units accomplish, and deliver what's advertised, where Sena have denied an ongoing mistake for v years now and keep delivering technology that still contains that mistake. Fyi... a +Mesh user saying by connecting the mesh adapter the popcorn noise is back.... https://advrider.com/f/threads/sena-mesh.1420446/ All very solid points. It would definitely be to Cardo's advantage to create some kind of bridge to get more Sena users converted over. Luckily most of my group has the Cardo setup with simply a Sena here and there. I'm pretty happy with the Cardo mesh and really like the style Cardo units have the JBL speaker options for pretty fantastic sounding music while riding. I've besides been using the voice control more and more and really appreciate that. I practice wish they put a petty more emphasis in helmet integration with helmet manufacturers. But be careful there. Look at the Shoei GT Air 2 and how they messed upward with the bottom of it. Now you tin can't clamp any other make of comm on the helmet where it needs to be due to how they ready it upwards for Sena. Both Nolan and Schubert has been messing upward the aforementioned way. Instead of dove-holing the helmet into one brand or another, they need to make the helmets more comm-friendly and then yous can apply any make you want. ajrider and PTJCAL similar this. ajrider Charlatan Joined: April 17, 2014 Oddometer: 60 I doubtable that pigeon-holing the helmets into Sena have in part being giving Sena's adept sales. I know people that are reluctant to movement at the moment and are willing to push through the popcorn consequence (ignorantly hoping for a solution still) considering they prefer the integration. It was too the deciding gene on which intercom to buy. And as nosotros know - once you've chosen one side, it'south very difficult every bit well as costly to commencement from scratch again. Thanks for the propose of the Shoei GT Air 2 though. I had no idea that it was that bad re using other intercoms! ajrider Adventurer Joined: April 17, 2014 Oddometer: sixty I suspect that'southward non the +Mesh system only rather the Bluetooth only intercom they have on their helmet connecting to the +Mesh system. All though in saying that - it doesn't really matter considering the only purpose for the +Mesh system is to bridge Mesh to Bluetooth - and so anyone connecting to information technology is bringing across the inherited flaws from their helmet mounted intercom. And and then yous're introducing crackling and popcorning into the mesh network. (If yous're linking to another bluetooth device at the same time). I doubt other mesh-only users volition be impressed with users bridging in this way! (And so over again, from what I've read a number of other users oasis't been impressed with the flaw's they've establish with the mesh technology either) The problem is that Sena never took seriously the issues with the Sena-20. The same lack of care appears to be ongoing. When I read of the issues Sena mesh users were getting with the 30K as well that helped me to wake upwardly that their attitude towards the Sena-twenty problem wasn't a once off stuff-upwards, but it'southward embedded through the whole company similar it'southward part of their DNA - information technology's here to stay. Thread necromancy...got an idea and wondered if anyone tried it yet. Nosotros have a handful of riders with Sena 50 serial units (plus i spare) and a few guys with Cardo Packtalks (two assuming, 1 slim). The idea was to take the spare 50S, configure the 'universal intercom pairing' and connect that to one of the Cardos. The spare 50 would be in the tank bag of 1 of the Cardo riders. Hoping that, in theory, would bring the ii mesh worlds together? Sounds like it might work. Let us know how information technology works. Source: https://www.advrider.com/f/threads/creating-sena-to-cardo-bridging-link.1346807/ Share this post
Hi, I'm toying with the idea of creating a Sena to Cardo span. Virtually of our riders are using SENA intercoms, merely fed up with the problems SENA aren't addressing - we are considering switching to Cardo. Not anybody is in a position where they are able to afford a switch at this stage and would like to switch over when possible which could be a few years for some. This leaves u.s.a. with the dilemma of having half the group on SENA and the other on Cardo for some of our larger grouping rides. I idea I've been playing with is to accept a dedicated Sena-Cardo bridge setup. The concept would exist to use one of the discarded SENA intercoms to link into the SENA network, so have it hard wired to a new CARDO unit of measurement that is linked into the Cardo network. I'm familiar with the sena mounts and know that the SENA mount has a 2mm 4 pole jack which tin can be used for audio transmit and receive. I'm completely unfamiliar with the CARDO mounts at this phase and was wondering if they besides have an auxiliary Jack that I can utilise. If and so - I figure I could create a bridge between the 2 networks and use this until we migrate SENA from our group. Is anyone able to suggest me on the CARDO side - if there is an auxiliary jack that can be used for both mic and headphones? (Or better notwithstanding, if anyone else has already attempted this and what the result was)?
The Cardo Bold and Slim exercise non have an auxiliary audio jack. The cord for the headphones has a regular 3.5 speaker plug and so you could easily substitute your own speakers or earbuds. I have the exact same feelings and in the same position with my riding group. Only Cardo user right now and want to convert most if non all to Cardo. Expense for others and familiarity with Sena is a roadblock for some. It seems as if y'all can get one/2 group to switch you might exist able to span in one Sena user for every Cardo user as I sympathize it but I take not tested this in real world. I've washed my Vardo to a Sena user on a long trip and it worked simply fine via Bluetooth, but then the Bluetooth to Bluetooth of just 2 Senas was never an issue, it was when over 3 or 4 users. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Hello. Equally far equally I know, maybe you could try from the sena side considering the packtalk has 1 characteristic that the sena doesn't (the Cardo bridge). The thought is to make think the sena devices that the Cardo is included in their bt network by using the universal intercom. And so Cardo will be listening as a phone to that connection, but Cardo packtalk has the bridge functionality that allows ane Cardo to bridge a telephone phone call into its dmc network. This is how I would attempt to practise information technology... With i of your Sena devices (ane that has the universal intercom), pair 1 Cardo packtalk device. The packtalk volition be but some other device within the bt sena network. The packtalk will pair to the sena equally a phone. Once connected, when the sena opens an intercom connection with the packtalk, the Cardo volition receive a phone phone call and once answered, it will be included into the sena network. At that bespeak, using the Cardo bridge, the Cardo can span the call into its dmc network. The sena and packtalk rider should bulldoze close to each other considering these universal pairings are brusk distance ones. It might piece of work although I don't know it for sure. I have never tried it. Possibly you lot could requite it a endeavor. I promise it's useful. But my two cents. Regards.
Thanks. I'k trying to avert universal pairing if possible - because one of the intercoms has to connect to the other equally it'southward a telephone - which not only limits functionality - only limits range. Not really practical for what I'grand wanting to reach. By having a bridge - two dedicated units hard wired together - each unit of measurement gets to talk to it's 'brothers and sisters' using it's native language/protocol which gives a much greater range. If the Cardo has a standard 3.5mm speaker connection that would piece of work for Cardo->Sena com's simply leaves united states without a return path. I guess the AUX jack on the SENA unit of measurement is one area where SENA really excelled in themselves! (Offers both speaker and Mic access apparently)
The Cardo uses a 2-pivot connector from the base to the mic. That plus the 3.5mm jack should be all you lot need.
Thanks draco. Can you lot please clarify what sort of 2 pin connector it uses? I'yard trying to effigy if information technology'southward the same type of connector that the Sena uses for it'southward setup and whether I tin can just use readily available cables to plug between the 2, or whether I have to get someone with electronics experience and a soldering iron to rig upwards a more complex cable.
Information technology isn't the same as the Sena. Information technology's a proprietary connector. You would need to splice ends together. I'll get a ameliorate picture when I become habitation, but here is a random picture stolen from the interwebz:
Which Cardo are you lot speaking of? Not any of the Packtalks afaik. Sent from my SM-T813 using Tapatalk
Update on this... I think @PTJCAL had the correct thought, albeit with i small alteration... The trouble with the above is that universal pairing or bridging equally cardo calls it is only good for passenger to pillion. The range is simply too short to work for anything else practically. However - the Sena SMH units works even when not mounted. (ie, no mic or speaker) - which gave me an idea. Why non just have my one-time Sena unit human action as a radio 'Repeater' on my cycle. And then basically - accept a dedicated Sena unit in my pocket or strapped to my bike, etc - which is bridged to my cardo unit. Then a Sena rider connects to my Sena device on my bicycle. This creates a bridge but also gets past the distance event considering the Sena unit of measurement I'm connecting my cardo to is within a meter or two of each other! The other sena rider is using sena-sena intercom to connect and then distance is no outcome. (Any other sena users can connect to him and expand the network between the 2 devices). It'south the same idea I had with the wires, only effectively without the wires and i less unit of measurement! So I put it to the exam inhouse - and success! It is possible to turn on my Sena unit of measurement, Bridge my cardo to it, and then phone call someone else (or accept someone else call the Sena unit) to initiate the bridge! The downfall is that the Sena unit is finicky. It doesn't always like two bluetooth connections paired. Sometimes it won't pair out and says "intercom failed", or some other user can't dial in, and you have to turn it off and first again. (But this is nothing unlike to me trying to connect to two other riders from time to fourth dimension with Sena anyhow). So we can successfully slowly transition people from Sena to Cardo over time without anybody needing to buy a new unit right now! As mentioned, I've only tested this in business firm so far, merely it seems to be OK once you go that initial connexion going. A basic diagram of the setup #1 Sena -> #2 Sena -> #iii Cardo -> #iv Cardo Mesh Users Where... #1 - is some other Sena user. #ii - is my Sena in my pocket - bridged with my cardo #3 - is My Cardo on my helmet, and #four - Are users on the Cardo Mesh Hope this helps some others! The play a joke on is - use cardo bridge pairing -just simply pair to a unit on your wheel. Let other users connect to that unit. The above would likewise work if you had a pillion with a Sena - they could be the span instead of having it in your pocket.
I can't tell from the documentation if this device would help this scenario or not (and realize information technology'south yet another device to purchase) but I had been wondering if this would help with the Sena to Cardo transition: https://www.sena.com/product/plus-mesh
Interesting thought. I've been thinking of this and my guess is that information technology would depend on the situation. If the riders you're riding with are using Sena Bluetooth and then no - it'd exist useless as this is a Sena bluetooth to Sena Mesh (different to Cardo) adapter. Fifty-fifty if some riders are using Sena mesh network it'due south of no advantage - as I believe the bluetooth side is not standard bluetooth, but propriety Sena bluetooth intercom. I believe you would still crave a sena headset to bridge between cardo and the sena bluetooth network. I suppose if yous only had a not-mesh sena, but friends were using mesh sena and others using cardo then you could use this device if you were going to be the bridge - simply I think it would exist cleaner to just apply a 30K as the bridge for #ii above, otherwise you'd have: SENA MESH -> SENA - > SENA MESH ADAPTER -> SENA BLUETOOTH INTERCOM -> CARDO -> CARDO MESH (Where the underlined would all be on your person/bike). My idea is why not cutting out the mesh, and simply apply a 30K in this instance equally the 2d link. SENA MESH -> SENA (30K) -> CARDO -> CARDO MESH In a small number of situations it may exist helpful but if people are already on Sena mesh using 30K's - I'd just use one of these every bit the bridge. What I would run into as being extremely helpful for the conversion is if CARDO created ane of these instead - but created information technology so that it linked as a telephone device instead of a cardo bluetooth. This would allow anyone with any other intercom that supports phone pairing (universal mode) to connect to a Cardo i of these and then exist right in the Cardo network - thus profitable greatly in people who want to migrate across only already have a bluetooth unit that they can't become away from simply notwithstanding. I thought it was a brilliant idea of Sena's in one way - to attempt and stop Sena users buying a new Cardo inerrcom and migrate to Sena's mesh network easier and cheaper. Actually Sena are pretty adept with coming up with innovative ideas IMO - the problem is the implementation of them. The poor quality, no waterproofing and ongoing tech problems allow them (and u.s.) down in a huge way. I similar a lot of what SENA design more CARDO, such as this adapter, aux plug, Open up Mesh, Ambiant Mic, the mounts (vertical and then fifty-fifty if the prune disconnected information technology doesn't autumn off, the helmet integration, the list goes on).... but what use is any of that when all nosotros take is ongoing frustrating tech issues that Sena refuse to admit and correct. That'south the unmarried reason why I'm jumping transport. I'm after a product that works as advertised. Not a product with a whole lot more options but tin can't deliver what they promise. Cardo show they're more honest. ie: Look at how Cardo advertise their range - they give perfect surround range but admit that it'due south unlikely and then give applied real world range - while Sena are happy to advertise a range that no one will always go. Cardo are more honest about what their units accomplish, and deliver what's advertised, where Sena have denied an ongoing mistake for v years now and keep delivering technology that still contains that mistake.
Fyi... a +Mesh user saying by connecting the mesh adapter the popcorn noise is back.... https://advrider.com/f/threads/sena-mesh.1420446/
All very solid points. It would definitely be to Cardo's advantage to create some kind of bridge to get more Sena users converted over. Luckily most of my group has the Cardo setup with simply a Sena here and there. I'm pretty happy with the Cardo mesh and really like the style Cardo units have the JBL speaker options for pretty fantastic sounding music while riding. I've besides been using the voice control more and more and really appreciate that. I practice wish they put a petty more emphasis in helmet integration with helmet manufacturers.
But be careful there. Look at the Shoei GT Air 2 and how they messed upward with the bottom of it. Now you tin can't clamp any other make of comm on the helmet where it needs to be due to how they ready it upwards for Sena. Both Nolan and Schubert has been messing upward the aforementioned way. Instead of dove-holing the helmet into one brand or another, they need to make the helmets more comm-friendly and then yous can apply any make you want.
I doubtable that pigeon-holing the helmets into Sena have in part being giving Sena's adept sales. I know people that are reluctant to movement at the moment and are willing to push through the popcorn consequence (ignorantly hoping for a solution still) considering they prefer the integration. It was too the deciding gene on which intercom to buy. And as nosotros know - once you've chosen one side, it'south very difficult every bit well as costly to commencement from scratch again. Thanks for the propose of the Shoei GT Air 2 though. I had no idea that it was that bad re using other intercoms!
I suspect that'southward non the +Mesh system only rather the Bluetooth only intercom they have on their helmet connecting to the +Mesh system. All though in saying that - it doesn't really matter considering the only purpose for the +Mesh system is to bridge Mesh to Bluetooth - and so anyone connecting to information technology is bringing across the inherited flaws from their helmet mounted intercom. And and then yous're introducing crackling and popcorning into the mesh network. (If yous're linking to another bluetooth device at the same time). I doubt other mesh-only users volition be impressed with users bridging in this way! (And so over again, from what I've read a number of other users oasis't been impressed with the flaw's they've establish with the mesh technology either) The problem is that Sena never took seriously the issues with the Sena-20. The same lack of care appears to be ongoing. When I read of the issues Sena mesh users were getting with the 30K as well that helped me to wake upwardly that their attitude towards the Sena-twenty problem wasn't a once off stuff-upwards, but it'southward embedded through the whole company similar it'southward part of their DNA - information technology's here to stay.
Thread necromancy...got an idea and wondered if anyone tried it yet. Nosotros have a handful of riders with Sena 50 serial units (plus i spare) and a few guys with Cardo Packtalks (two assuming, 1 slim). The idea was to take the spare 50S, configure the 'universal intercom pairing' and connect that to one of the Cardos. The spare 50 would be in the tank bag of 1 of the Cardo riders. Hoping that, in theory, would bring the ii mesh worlds together?
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